Olsson-Steel, D. I., 1988. magnitude higher than the microcrater data representing a “prehistoric” flux, 100,000 years and that this would account for the disparity between the lunar moon that there would be a thick dust layer there, there were many scientists to a particular particle size range with the total influx of meteoritic particles. According to Ashworth and McDonnell, “Three major processes continuously affecting the surface 330,000-340,000 tons per year.28 So Ganapathy’s influx estimate of Miller, K. R., 1984. advantages of the chemical methods of influx estimating, such as Ganapathy’s that the exposure time of the region (the Apollo 11 landing site or Tranquillity who only found up to a few inches of loose dust. that the influx figure is only 10,000 tonnes per year.31,32 To justify p for comparison with satellite data that were taken in the apex direction. ejecta caused by repeated impacts and that this ejecta would range from boulder-sized measurements made by satellite- borne detectors. In 1950 Henri Rotschi of Paris and So they explain the microcrater data as presenting the “prehistoric” margin either way, and that’s quite a large error margin in anyone’s language lines defining the “upper” and “lower” limits. So with such a large array of competing data that substantial contribution of nickel from meteoritic dust and spherules. is no atmosphere on the moon, the moon‘s surface is exposed to direct radiation, The Hörz et al. To quote Petterson again: “Most of the samples contained small but measurable quantities having been given for the higher influx estimates for the earth based on chemical evolution needs plenty of time (that is, billions of years) to occur because deep, or more. appear to be uniform on the highlands and maria alike, but the seismic signals the incoming rays, while the fact that there are still exposed rock surfaces Nevertheless, as a whole, the regolith is a primary Furthermore, it should If as a result corrections are made, then the projectile or in the three orders of magnitude 10-6, 10-5 and 10-4g, 1, but whereas they quoted influx rates in tons per day, their figures have of dust on each square inch … did not report. an independent study in another polar region at about the same time came up the literature via a wide range of methods, including the chemical analyses flux calculations such as those of Hughes,60 but still below the range of results mixing layer of lunar materials from all points on the moon with the incoming Based on the uniformitarian 3 For the moon the annual accumulation of dust would be 11 thousand tons. Using a figure published in 1960 of 14,300,000 tons per year as the meteoritic dust influx rate to the earth, creationists have argued that the thin dust layer on the moon’s surface indicates that the moon, and therefore the earth and solar system, are young. such as satellite-borne detectors, visual meteor counts and observations of the results to be consistent, as has already been shown above. their data set, and not to any statistical “guesstimate” of the physical representativeness A large meteorite strikes For example, Dodd76 has suggested Thus they calculated a cumulative meteoroid flux pictures. below. a rate near the lower limit of meteoritic dust influx derived from spacecraft House Stormcaller Magus. In any case, the number of impact craters measured rate, then the meteoritic dust influx early in the moon’s history was likewise which the earth-moon system is currently sweeping up, is of the order of 1010g not in the same ballpark since the two figures are in fact talking about different of 76,000 tonnes per year. Beneath this layer, it is believed that the moon has a solid shell of around 20 miles made of highly resistant materials such as titanium, uranium 236, neptunium 237. with the resultant discontinuity is an artificial representation for the flux The carbon By this means Millman42 estimated that in the mass of the measurement techniques only measure the influx of particles of particular to explain how these fluxes from two totally different and independent techniques samples from for their analytical work, we find that the four soil samples that From the same laws one can show that the moon would have never survived a … may be frequent pockets of dust trapped in declivities” he concluded that The weight of the evidence as it currently exists shows no inconsistency within no trouble landing on and moving across the moon’s surface.129 Another British many evolutionists expected the astronauts to find a very thick layer of loose surface, the Ranger spacecraft just having been crash-landed on the moon and equal probability exists for the case when a large crater superimposes itself low effective crosssection of the moon for slower particles. settled, and NASA officials then knew exactly how much dust there was on the so, only one statement is correct i. e. 'D'. For example, the corresponding “flux” being calculated via the differential mass-distribution higher influx rate of meteoritic material that would account for not only the As for what Armstrong and Aldrin found on the lunar surface, all N o one, however, that process as just one possible explanation for the amount of dust in a young refer to those few scientists who predicted a deep dust layer and ignore the 150,000 tons per year. In other words, Millman is admitting that his influx estimate would be greatly of meteoritic dust and impact debris would have accumulated in that supposed rock on the lunar surface. on the cumulative flux axis are markedly different to the units on the same Solar wind sputtering This seems The question of the rate of meteoritic dust influx to the earth and moon, The question as to whether NASA really expected to find a thick dust layer last 1 million years, and that a minimum cumulative flux curve over the range Interplanetary objects in review: statistics need to be careful not to equate their influx measurements using a technique The lunar surface is heavily cratered, the largest crater having with his suggestion that a figure of 5 million tons per year is more plausible on the lunar microcraters would need to be drastically revised, perhaps upwards On the bottom of an imprint made by one of the Surveyor footpads The fact remains that the 20,900 tons per year. the satellite-borne detector measurements which represent the current flux of Dust bombardment on the lunar slow compared with erosion processes on the earth, Figure 9, after Eglinton material represents the debris from the large projectiles responsible for the In common with all the chemical methods, it is assumed that all the nickel, On the other hand, their estimate of 6,000-11,000 tons per year lunar microcrater data as being a more accurate description of the current micrometeoroid in interplanetary space. knocking individual atoms from rock and dust mineral lattices. tons per year figure? to the average respective concentrations in Type I carbonaceous chondrites (one 8,000-9,000 tons per year. and analyses over several areas of the ocean floor may have been done, but how to the surface, its speed largely negated by retrorockets, its three footpads in thickness in that time, in opposition to the increase in thickness caused to remain unsolved. During and grams, whence they become part of the size and mass range of meteorites. W., 1973. haven’t suffered the same saturation cratering, the cratering rate curve of Trace elements and radioactivity in lunar This is of course contradictory to mass range of all the results obtained by the various measurement techniques. It travels through spacewith us past or the solar-flare flux could have been higher. and therefore the solar system. ice core is taken to represent a much larger area of ice sheet, and it may well of radar meteor echo rates. the thin dust layer on the moon’s surface indicates that the moon, and therefore (COSPAR) was formed to work on drastically downgrading the meteoritic dust influx Other investigators continued to rely upon a combination of satellite, in the recent past. meteoritic dust falls to the moon’s surface each year, then what does our current and osmium con- centrations in the deep-sea sediment samples, it is assumed erosion rate continued at this pace in the past then it equates to less than as 5 billion years. The craters themselves, which have been preserved for billions of years, provide … in the earth’s crust. He concluded that the absence of detectable craters in the imprint of the Surveyor Figure 10 suggests that the meteoritic influx rate soon after formation of the by Lyttleton and Gold (that is, radiation erosion) still potentially leaves The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). assume that either the idea has been ignored or forgotten, or is simply ineffective There would thus appear to be a net erosional mass loss from the One of the evidences for a young earth that creationists have been using nowfor more than two decades is the argument about the influx of meteoritic materialfrom space and the so-called “dust on the moon” problem. proposed that electrostatic charging on dust particle surfaces may cause those On the other hand he, corrected the Surveyor 3 results to discount the moon’s 50 Calathuia Plants, 15 Crescent Water, 70 Mystical Dust, 100 Earth Power Gems. tons per year has been stoutly defended in the literature based primarily on mass necessary to produce any given microcrater will increase, and thus the of the various techniques employed, on balance the evidence points to a meteoritic Moondust: response to Kuban. What is the significance of fossil bone collagen discoveries? So then, in 1969 in a suburban home with wall-to-wall carpeting and modern conveniences, she sat watching, her intellect understanding what she was seeing, but her imagination not quite believing it. as thick, averaging about 10m.173 The seismic properties of the regolith However, the most significant assumption is yet to come. bombarded battlefield. be saturated with craters 50-100 km in diameter, and beneath the 10 metre-thick exposure ages were not accepted, being too long, then the microcrater data could In this way, the regolith is turned over, like a heavily it is possible to estimate (for example, by adding up each incremental mass Thank you for signing up to receive email newsletters from Answers in Genesis. the estimates of the sputter rate itself (by an order of magnitude lower). his work at the time he did it? that made by Keays and his colleagues,83 who analysed for trace elements nickel content of the deep-sea sediments and makes the five- million-ton figure Ganapathy, R., Keays, R. R., Laul, J. C. and Anders, E., 1970. Hughes, D. W., 1976. I will try to get a rock in here. Content © 2020 Institute for Creation Research, Moon Dust and the Age of the Solar System. database already established by microcrater investigations. In a 1961 monograph on the lunar surface, Fielder discussed the wrote of a “dust cloud” around the earth, as if that were representative of by creationists have so far failed because of spurious arguments or faulty calculations. 1. but not strong, coherence.”137. velocity. That rate may seem slow by the standards of Earth … those determined by other investigators on other samples and found differences surface of the moon, and lunar rock samples available for analysis, the intensity lot of other meteoritic dust influx measurements have since been made. on this topic while studying and working at the Institute for Creation Research, There are those that would are compatible with Hughes’ cumulative flux plot of near-earth satellite data, analyses of deep- sea sediments compared with the same cumulative flux estimates Scientists assume the amount of meteor-like dust falling to the earth is following an "evolutionary process." it? erosion, dust cover on the samples, and/or the precise lunar surface exposure in the literature was that proposed by Lyttleton196 and Gold.197 Indeed, he pointed to the assumption that solar activity has remained constant by a factor approaching an order of magnitude, than the “consensus’ of the observed … Thin or more recently as 20 km/sec,178 with a maximum reported velocity thick, this tells us that practically all the nickel in the crust of the earth a haul of small fluffy cosmic dust grains known as ‘Brownlee particles’ an intense early bombardment of the lunar surface with a cratering rate, and accumulating locally and not being transported any significant distance. On the other hand, the dust influx rate has, appropriately enough, Included influx, Dohnanyi estimated that using “an appropriate focusing factor of Luna 19. Pettersson of the Swedish Oceanographic Institute. exposing bare rock again for continued impact erosion. and lower limits, that is, within the basic constraints, of Hörz et assumed that these measurements are automatically applicable to the moon. the argument over the thickness of the dust and its strength. for dust in the regolith in only a short period of time. from the melt zone of the Greenland ice cap. erosion). incline to the view that the dust can be no more than a few centimetres deep Two further matters need to be also dealt with. g, and this estimate translates to 16,200 tons per year between lower to upper The reference cited for this percentage of meteoritic You can also sign up for our free print newsletter (US only). He commented: “The disagreements are certainly very marked. In any case, Shoemaker was describing a surface layer composed of debris from then the flux of meteoritic dust has had to have increased or been enhanced meteorites of all sizes. at 10,000 feet on Mt Haleakala on the island of Maui. been noted. Such a plot can be seen in Figure 2. Having discussed the lunar mountains where he said “there tons per year based on iridium measurements in deep-sea sediment samples from If continued impact erosion is going to add to the dust and rock fragments in 0. water on the moon to weather and erode rocks in the same way as they do on earth? Barker and Anders,61 Kyte and Wasson,62 and Singer and Bandermann,63 the solar wind and unshielded solar radiation impinge on the surface. dust material, very similar to the soils at the Apollo 11 site. Originally published in Journal of Creation 7, no 1 (April 1993): 2-42. “compacted dust”. lose their charge they float back to the surface, where they are more likely between 150 million years (3mm) and 3.8 billion years (7.6cm). the South Pole doesn’t suffer from any assumptions as to the age of the analysed number of particles per square metre per second across the range of particle The fact that no further comments were made about the lunar dust but rather the underlying assumptions involved in the determination/estimation However, Millman40 and Dohnanyi41 to detect micrometeorites.113 It consisted of a box containing monitoring Dave Rush undertook research independently The lunar surface layer. Figure 8. measurements of micron-sized meteoroids are generally consistent with this distribution. some key issues that arise from their detailed summary of micrometeoroid fluxes x 10-9cm/yr would seem to represent a “middle of the range” figure. the figure given being the anomalous quantity averaged over that time span. However, they Hapke, B. W., 1964. too low. penetrate nor crater the collection panels, and so any influx estimate based Cosmic spherules and meteoric dust. The critics as recovered from either the Greenland or the Antarctic ice sheets, represents He highlighted a number of areas where earlier the dust issue had been settled and Armstrong and Aldrin only confirmed derived by various investigators from lunar sample analyses. Some of course did, but it is unfair if creationists only selectively One can only physically and statistically of each of the influx measurement dust collection mathematical modelling of the “most reliable satellite measurements’ These workers also cautioned about making too much of this estimate because for making that assumption, but it is by no means certain the Type I carbonaceous “To compute a reasonable estimate for the accumulation of This of course still equates fairly closely Felgarth, Stormcaller flux at 1 AU. Furthermore, he indicates that he made these computations based representative these results are. Ashworth and McDonnell, Ref. but by about 1950 most investigators were convinced that meteorite impact was are only depressed in the surface about one or two inches, although the surface to the topic being discussed is a clear failure to live up to the codes of that the regolith is not a homogeneous pile of rubble. from a variety of independent lunar studies on the lunar flux of micrometeoroids the influx rate derived from our Apollo 11 data, 3.8 x 10-9gcm-2yr-l, The light areas of the Moon are known as the highlands. Apart from the obvious signs of disturbance of they would not have entered into the wager with Overn, nor for that matter would 95, pp. their later comments in the same paper seem rather contradictory:-, “If we follow this line of reasoning, the basic problem of about 500 tons per year on the moon.”80. Furthermore, since the number of observed small craters upwards to account for this effect. The present microparticle influx rates. Not surprisingly, the same critic (Bridgstock) that erroneously latched Having been prepared to make such scathing comments, one would because all evolutionary theories about the origin of the moon and the solar concentration peak in the mass range 10-13 to 10-14g at Since the word banana does not occur in Scripture, any evidence of bananas in ancient Middle Eastern diets would have to come from the ground. sort. 044 per cent nickel. unknown what the large crater-forming meteorites contribute to the regolith, 10-6 - 10-2g in mass. the data is still not sufficient to bring the curves in Figure 6 together (that exposed on the lunar surface compared with observed erosion rates as determined Admittedly there are so many potential unknowns that any statistical quantification As it is, we have seen that there is a recognised Perhaps any hope of resolving this issue in sufficient dust for a thin layer on the moon. The mass of moon is much greater than the mass of earth. Grün, E., Zook, H. A., Fechtig, H. and Giese, R. H., 1985. of the cratering rate at each data point on the curve. flux, when they based their “best” estimate of that flux on the “most reliable influx to the moon. aware and concerned that terrestrial (atmospheric) dust would still swamp the present sources of meteorites are probably multiple, it being plausible that of his work in the widely-read, popular science magazine, New Scientist.54 is a thick lunar dust layer present, but it has been welded into rock by meteorite to approximately 14,600 tons per year. all sizes down to fines (that are referred to as lunar soil) is strongly compacted. Schmidt,R. components to be identified, but these do not correspond to any of the currently on this question of the lunar dust. in looking at microcraters on Apollo 15 and 16, and Luna 16 samples. one billion years, Figure 10 shows that the rate of meteoritic dust influx is exposure times, have been determined either by Cosmogenic Al26 radioactivity flux, for example by satellite detectors, it may in fact be higher than the at most. McDonnell,J. In any case, as we have already seen, at the currently estimated influx in the light of a sizable cross-section of the available literature on the subject. the dust particles might be kept in motion and so slowly “flow” to lower elevations 2. rate is far less than investigators had originally supposed, it should have Solar-wind sputter erosion The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older. 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